the obama administration reposal house more to do with changing laws, how we enforce a verification of employment. people who are here legally. it is less specific on the border element of that. to me, the whole hand centers around what a secure border is. what is border security? there is no definition. it is subject to different interpretations. it's going to go forward, b tweeted, discussed. if you do not define what is secure border is, i did not know why you can certify it is achieved. it is kind of being kicked down the road. host: some senators debating this are saying not to get too hung up aren't what the complete border security is. guest: that's right. it has never been defined. there has always been illegal crossings, always contraband coming across. some of our worst smuggling was across the northern border during prohibition when canadians were smuggling whiskey into the united states. it is a very squishy concept. what is this your order? i would say the most secure borders between north and south korea. you have wires, fences, mines. that is not what we want our border